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Re: (ET) Power of Elec-trak motors?



David Roden wrote:
Not that way. As I suggested before, measuring the power into the motor tells you nothing about the manufacturer's rating of that motor. You could even measure the output on a dynamometer, and you STILL wouldn't know anything more than you do now.
Ok, but what you can find out with this method is how much power you 
will *need*. It's a simple fact that you need power to move the tractor 
and swing the blades. Whether you do it with a super-overamped slot car 
motor or a locomotive motor you still need a certain amount of power.
What I have posted is the amount of power I have noticed are needed to 
do things. It takes 1,440 watts to move my Elec-trak from level ground 
point a to point B. It takes about 3,600 watts for my Elec-trak to move 
from level point A to point B with the mower blades chewing through grass.
Does anyone else have an E-Meter to cross-check these numbers?

Convert that into HP numbers and you come up with 1.8hp to move around and 4hp to mow away. And that is on a very direct-drive tractor. No pulleys on the deck, no real belts, no power-robbing idlers.
Now if I am mowing up a hill I'll pull a lot more power on the drive 
motor. And heat will start to build up. Once I go back to level at the 
top, the motor will start to cool down again. So heat becomes like a 
bathtub filling with water. If I can get to the top before I overheat 
the motor then no problems. That's why it's nice to have a big motor 
that can dump excess heat when needed. And why the mower motors have 
Klixon switches on the top. If they really overload for a period of time 
they will shut down before melting the armatures.
But you still need 1,440 watts to drive on level ground, and 3,600 to 
mow away. That doesn't change no matter what you do.
GE would have no incentive to lie about their motors, other than in their advertising. <g> If the published engineering data say the drive motor is rated at 1hp, most likely it is, as puzzling as that may be to folks used to the way ICEs are rated for absolute peak horsepower.
That's the question then, what is the true rating of these motors? 
They're big, but they are also sealed, which always made me wonder how 
they get rid of their heat. Do golf cart motors have fans? How happy are 
they going to be when they get covered in ground up leaf/grass/dirt debris?
As for cars, it takes 18kw of power to move my Prizm at 60mph on level 
ground. Yes a 5kw motor could do the job, but it would probably overheat 
quickly. So I need a motor that can put out 18kw constantly if I want to 
drive it at 60mph.
Given that, it's not surprising that GE ads claimed (in a cringe-inducing confusion of units) that with a 1hp motor "peak torque exceeds 14 horsepower."
And it might. I can do things with my E20 that will literally stall my 
15.5hp Craftsman. Pull down trees and the like. So it's not a totally 
unfair thing to say.
But you still need a certain amount of power to mow. Size your motor 
accordingly.
Chris